Photograph of a boy holding a turtle outside his home in Farmington Hills, Michigan. The boy wears a long-sleeved shirt with a horse pattern, and he has mud on his cheek.

Interview with Dr. John Vogt, a physician involved in the Kaiser-Prudential joint venture, from Birmingham, Michigan. Vogt discusses his initial work with Kaiser Permanente, the origins of the Kai-Pru venture and why it was established in the Texas market, the benefits and downside for each company, the Dallas healthcare market, the Dallas medical community, healthcare plan models, cost control, and the end of Kai-Pru.